From: "Rahul Mittal" To: Subject: Re: WE WILL NEVER FORGET!! Date: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:32 PM Well, here I go again: > > > I am wondering how to bring this your attention, but the world has changed > > significantly since 1945. At that time, the world was divided into two camps > > [remember the Allies vs Axis?] > > Yes much like today's NATO vs. the Free World....except no one would > dare to think different today!! You know, I actually wonder how much of the world outside of NATO is in fact "free" like you put it. Hmm let's see, there's Iran, your beloved Pakistan which you love to attack, China, half (or maybe all?) of the countries in Africa, Eastern Europian countries, Colombia... ahh yes, perfect emblems of the "Free World". I'm sorry to say if that is your idea of a "Free World", then I am happier to be in an Imprisoned World. "Dare to think different?" you ask? ROTFLMAO I think it is you who dares to not think different. Just like the superb leaders of the countries mentioned above that dare not allow their own citizens to think different. A perfect picture for a future, "powerful" India, exactly how you would like it. With you as supreme leader of that India of course. > > > and all attempts were on to end the war as soon as possible. Only one country had the > > atomic bomb and it used it > > India's defense policy MUST follow this same dogma or else we are at the > mercy of > others. Today, only one country (India) must have the best weaponry so > that everyone > will believe our propoganda completely in the hopes of feeling secure > under our > military apparatus and no one will ever question us - I like > that....don't you?! > WHOA!!! Attention people I smell Adolf Hitler II in the ranks. It has absolutely got to be Indian propoganda that is supreme and absolute, regardless of what anybody else thinks. In fact, Mr. Vamsi believes that he wants everyone in the world to believe "our" (meaning "India's") propoganda. In reality he wants all of us to believe HIS propoganda. He like's the idea that "no one will ever question us". I am sorry again Mr. Vamsi but I do NOT like a world where nobody ever questions us. Just like within a single democratic country's government, the entire strength of the government lies in the fact that citizens ask questions, and through the diversity of questions the best solution to any problem might be reached. Similarly, the best organization of the world is when every single independent nation has an equal right in matters in the world. Bhutan should have the same right as India and the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. simply because it is another "citizen" of the "country" that is the Earth. Alas I think Mr. Vamsi probably does not believe a democracy is a viable form of government. Which is absolutely fine by me. But I will not accept that he propogate the idea that the ideal state for India to achieve in world politics is a status where no other country can question what the Indian government does. Even if such were the case, then that rule should be equally applicable to every other country in the world. Hence, Mr. Vamsi, I urge that you keep silent and not cry foul if Pakistan marches in and takes over Kashmir, and hmm let's say Punjab and a couple other states too while they're at it. > > > Today not only do many countries have the access to weapons of mass > > destruction, a lot of rogue groups do as well. > > Yes, the rogue hegemonic nations also have access to nukes and they > didn't want a > democratic India to have such weapons. Don't you see? We are the good > guys here!! > Good guys don't mind being questioned by others. It's the rogue nations that typically object to being questioned. How can you demand that India achieve a position where it cannot be questioned by any other country, and then claim that we are the good guys? Also, consider Kashmir. I agree it is a bilateral issue between India and Pakistan. However, India's adamant position to not accept any questions regarding the matter from the international community makes me wonder if the Indian government is in fact as "clean" as they claim they are. > > > You need to look only as far as the US today to appreciate the sheer uselessness of > > building a huge nuclear arsenal. > > For the last time, low-yield nukes are not nuclear weapons in the > traditional sense. > India MUST build the strongest military in the world to protect its > integrity or risk > being raped!! Hmm in regard to my previous email, you mean "or risk raping itself and the entire world". Gah, raping itself. Now isn't that what we've been doing for over 50 years? Let's try something else, coz I don't think the world is paying much to watch us rape ourselves. > > > And Vamsi, if we are at all serious about protecting our heritage and > > culture, then maybe the best place to start would be to take another look at > > what our shastras proscribe in such instances. I wonder if you remember the > > restraints our sages put on the use of Brahmastra. > > > > Yes, we will build the strongest military in the world and use restraint > afterwards - > promise! > Gah, Mr. Vamsi, you are not even making serious arguments any more. I think I must begin ignoring your posts. > > > And frankly, this constant harping on threats from hegemonic others sounds > > essentially the same as the oft-abused 'foreign hand' of the 80s. > > Yes, we have dirt in India too and in my mind the dirtiest beggars are > those that look > upon foreign powers as the good guys and don't see the light and realize > that India is > being threatened every day of every year and we are becoming complacent > in both domestic and foreign policies!! In other words, the worst of > the beggars blame other beggars in the country for beating them in their > trade!! > Ahh yes very well said. And also not-so-dirty beggars look at "dirtiest beggars" and wonder, wow, that beggar is so awesome! I want to be just like that "dirtiest beggar", maybe even dirtier!!! So the not-so-dirty beggar will do even dirtier things to become dirtiest beggar. Even if it means murdering his own country. Although I must admit, I have been neither a not-so-dirty beggar, nor a "dirtiest beggar", nor have I ever interviewed one, so the preceding paragraph is entirely hypothetical. So, Mr. Vamsi, have you been or interviewed a "dirtiest beggar" that you know them so well? > > Precisely my point, China has a much stronger military and a greater > nuclear arsenal - > no one will push them around!! Thank you so much for bringing this up! > I can't > understand why some Indians play "chicken" when it comes to national > defense, weapons, > etc. > China is exactly the opposite of what my vision of a future India would be. So what if they attracted huge economic investment. I care more about the individual liberties of my fellow citizens, and I will not sacrifice that to become a China. The largest mistake India made in the economic competition was that we kept sucking up to the USSR for too long. Once Russia disintegrated, we had no choice other than to do what the rest of South East Asia was already doing for a couple of years - opening up their economies to attract investment from the West. And by that time we were already too late. I am sorry Mr. Vamsi, I will not let you make India become another China. Sincerely, Rahul Mittal.